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30Nov/2117

Discussion: The Gravity of Reality

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  1. Gosh, I thought Exo One might be an open-world NightSky–No Man’s NightSky–which would have been so completely my jam that it would hurt. But I guess it isn’t. Which is just as well, ’cause I can’t play it because Mac. Unfortunately I can’t play NightSky either because 32-bit. I miss it.

  2. i had those same expectations. i don’t want challenges! the way you described it made it seem like it was focus-group-tested by a publisher or something. also this seems like the type of game where those challenges are optional and you can level select at anytime. bummer. i don’t think i’ll not play it, though, just not gonna prioritise it.

  3. Matt, doesn’t that disappointment make it exactly No Man’s Nightsky? And should I play Nightsky? It looks like I have an hour in it (Last played: 3 Feb 2014), but I don’t remember strong feelings about it one way or the other. Most of what I remember about it is that maybe you have strong feelings about the level select screen?

    I’d heard enough good things about Exo One to have it on a wishlist, but then read enough about the challenging-ness to maybe take it off. It does seem like it has a lot of really cool ingredients, though.

  4. I do not have strong feelings about the level select screen in NightSky! It is the one game whose level select screen I don’t have strong feelings about! Well I guess I did point it out as a positive contrast to Closure, in that it had the same kind of collectibles and similar (not identical) level progression, but it did a better job of making them feel optional and also letting you navigate to the levels where you needed to find them once you’d finished the main game.

    My main thing about NightSky is that I find it very immersive; the feel is great, the sound design makes you feel like the things you’re hitting have physical presence, the way the music comes in and out instead of playing continuously is brilliant, and it’s full of little touches that aren’t there to provide challenge but experience. Like the third and final screen of a level often is something you can just hold right to cross after the challenge was in the second screen, but it might be a rolling hill instead of a flat plain. As with some of Nifflas’s other games, much of it is about the backgrounds and atmosphere rather than a challenge. Anyway I’m a notorious simp for Nifflas, ask me sometime about Knytt Underground.

    So it’s something I’d recommend trying for half an hour just before bedtime, and definitely start on Normal difficulty rather than Alternative, Alternative difficulty at times is one of those things Nifflas puts in so people who want to hurt themselves with his games can do so, but they have only themselves to blame.

  5. everything matt w says about nightsky is true. the sound design, in particular, is what i remember most. so tactile and satisfying.

  6. To be fair, I think Jay had challenge in mind from the beginning but we probably didn’t want to hear it. There’s an interview here with Jay at Rezzed all those years ago. And he’s talking about how wind might be used to thwart the player if you go to high. This is actually a thing in the final game.

    I decided not to moan about the missing level select because it is coming to an Exo One update in the near future.

    I feel realllly bad that I haven’t played anything of Nifflas except for Knytt Stories and a short dabble with Uurnog Unlimited – which I have still not uninstalled!

    Additional complaint: I dislike the story of Exo One. It’s not strong enough to generate the feels it wants to and it has a now-clichéd and completely predictable ending. The Rezzed build had a voice actor reading out lines and I thought that worked; but the new version has been replaced with a sort of voice-like gabble which is not kind on the ears. The first time I heard it, I assumed the audio had screwed up and stopped and started the game again.

  7. At some point as I read this, the word ‘Sonic’ wandered through my mind for a moment in search of something to connect with.

    Then I read about the level that ‘forces the player to be slow and careful’ being a low point and holy shit, you’re actually actually talking about a 3D Sonic The Hedgehog game (but not the 3D Sonic the Hedgehog games). Sonic is all about momentum; there’s nothing more sublime than traversing those loops and chutes at full tilt, your CRT modulating the sprites and sounds and colours and music into an ecstatic harmony at 50* glorious frames per second.

    But then – of course there’s a but then – how is that a game? In the notional interests of challenge and interactivity, there needed to be potential roadbumps: enemies you barely have time to react to, spikes, bottomless pits. For all but the best or most well-versed, a potential roadbump will bump with great potency. Momentum detonated, euphoria dissipated, for very little discernible gain.

    We might relate it back to your experiences of Infra: on the player’s side, promises (whether made or imagined) not surviving the impact with reality. And on the developer’s, certain assumptions about the shape of a game that get in the way of the shape of the game: it’s got to have a fail-state, right? Well, perhaps, but you’ve got also to consider all the ways that might constrain the success-state too.

    *or whatever the PAL standard actually put out (it certainly felt more fluid than 25?)

  8. (re-reads newsletter for the first time since posting it: the typos! aaaargh! my eyes!)

  9. You mentioned a Bonfire Peaks stream so this is on-topic too: we need to TALK about Adversity.

    (I don’t usually, or ever, watch streams but I might try to catch it!)

  10. I felt the same about my first playthrough. I expected and hoped for smooth, pleasant, unchallenging extremely fast gameplay, and got something where I had to fight to complete it.

    But! I hold that the second playthrough of the game is the real playthrough. When starting that, you have become a skater, and you know how to do the grind. Most importantly, you know that the real good game is when you are in the clouds, dipping in and out of them.

    I’ve only played through a couple of levels, so maybe it breaks on tree level and asteroid level, but man, the first couple of levels felt really really fantastic on the second playthrough. That fulfilled the promise of the trailers and gifs for me.

    (and yeah, the story is just way too obtuse most of the game. Would have preferred the game without it at all)
    (also, where is my endlessly procedurally generated mode? If any game ever needed an endless procedural mode, it’s surely this)

  11. BTW this is why we need to talk about Adversity.

    (The soundtrack is not Mad World, but it could’ve been!)

  12. Wait I accidentally recorded myself muttering, that video is deleted. this one should be soundless.

  13. Well, I meant to respond here a few days ago and, boy, has the time flown.

    CA

    I think your Sonic reference is interesting.

    I’ve always gotten the impression that Sonic is out of vogue these days; I loved those games in the early 90s. A lot of Green Hill Zone can just be run through but inevitably you end up in golf bunker at some point, desperate to club your poor trapped Sonic into the action. But then you get the Labyrinth Zone and, you know what, I kinda hate that zone. It’s slow, long, and full YORRRR GONNA DIE countdowns. Back in the day, I found it a tough challenge — old-skool tough challenge usually means a bore these days.

    I have have nostalgia for hardcore Sonic but, if I’m honest, the butter-greased gameplay of Sonic 3 / Sonic & Knuckles is what I enjoyed the most. You could just play that thing without much concern of death – if you wanted hardcore, then you played through for the Super Emeralds (which I did for each character! jesus, youth is wasted on the young). I didn’t mind the slow sections like the Marble Garden Zone or Mushroom Hill because they were interesting. I am not much of a fan of the pinball levels, because the bumpers can be sensitive to just the angle of attack and you end up redoing segments over and over again.

    And so Exo One: it’s all about the vista. Moving slowly doesn’t really offer challenge. It feels like a Sonic pinball level where mistakes can have you setting up jumps and complex somersaults repeatedly – they don’t correlate to the slow exploratory levels of Sandopolis or Mushroom Hill.

  14. Victor

    I agree, I think a second playthrough probably works better – I started the game again immediately and went after the upgrades I didn’t spot first time around. And that instantly gives you my flying capacity. The water world was also pretty fun because you just bounce along the sea and there’s rarely a duff moment in that entire stage. I imagine doing it a second time wouldn’t hurt.

    But I think redoing that tree level will not be entertaining and I’m not sure I really enjoyed that last level. Actually, that’s incorrect: that last level is fine as long as you’re not trying to achieve anything.

    I can understand why there’s no proc gen here. I’m not saying it wouldn’t be nice to see, but a proc gen endless mode would be it’s own project entirely and it was obviously built from the beginning with crafted levels in mind.

  15. Matt

    Well, glad we took this conversation to Twitter. And to the stream!

  16. oops, i accidentally deleted the newsletter, so i wasn’t able to re-read what you had to say!

    i ended up purchasing this because of the epic sale – they paid 10USD for this, so it’s a win for jay weston, being that i might have put this off for years, or forever.

    i’m glad i did because i love, love, love this game. other than that jungle level where you turn into a giant ball with limited visibility, this game presented the right amount of challenge and relaxation for me. i’m not bragging, it was pretty easy, although me being a skateboarder might have helped. it was quite a sublime experience, and me being into trippy stuff, i loved the abstraction and weirdness. i did actually enjoy that jungle level because it was weird and quite a different use of the gameplay than i would have expected.

    i tried to play it again, but it didn’t stick. i don’t know if i just wasn’t in the mood today, but i think the magic for me was in the discovery of what comes next. and just like the outer wilds + dlc (that i just finished), i’m sad i can’t play it again for the first time, but i have no regrets.

  17. Hi Daniel,

    You can find the last newsletter here if you want to catch up with my mixed feelings on it.

    I think if I’d known this was a skateboarding game in advance then I probably would have had less issues with it; this makes me think somewhat about how NaissanceE pissed people off in the same way yet I liked that abuse.


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